Teacher Records Student's Disrespectful Behavior After School Administration Refuses to Believe That They're Misbehaving

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  •  a first-year teacher, who was frustrated with the school administration not believing her about her student's terrible behavior, and decided to take matters into her own hands in order to prove her point.
  • And now my kids are walking up to me, asking if she's going to get fired. Listen, I'm not advocating for privacy violations in any way, nor do I support
  • what my colleague did. Honestly, I'm kind of ped, because this does erode the trust students have with us in the classroom.
  • That said, the more I think about it, it's literally doing what admin told her to do. They wanted empirical evidence to say that kids were being disrespectful to her (and
  • they have been, to an alarming rate. I'm genuinely concerned when I hear some of the issues this teacher has had to go through. Being spat on, threats, you
  • name it). They (admin) also didn't make themselves available to come visit her classes, even though she has asked for help on multiple occasions. So, with no
  • other options, she chose what seemed to be the most logical conclusion...admin needed to see the behavior directly, and the only way that would
  • happen is by recording her classes. Again, in no way is it ever ok to record someone without their consent, and their are so many issues of consent. But at the
  • A recording device that could be used to record high school students in a classroom without their knowledge or consent.
  • same time, she chose a route to solve admin's issue, in a way that seems almost pragmatic. She was tired of the same pattern:
  • . ⚫ she writes up a kid for being disrespectful. admin calls the student to the office, to ask if they did this behavior.
  • . kid denies the behavior . See step 1.
  • If you're going to set up a system where teachers are constantly being told they aren't doing enough to prove a child is being disrespectful, don't be surprised when that
  • teacher does something objectively wrong (can't emphasize that enough), because they believe it's their only recourse.
  • MakeltAll1 What the F is wrong with that admin? Of course a kid is going to lie about their behavior. They will blame the teacher for “picking on me." They will tell the admin that their teacher only yells and never teaches anything. They will say that "everyone hates that teacher." Then the admin says in so sorry student. That is terrible. Here's a lollipop and a Coke. Go back to class."
  • Intelligent-Rain-22 This is not an admin, it is an admin-bot waiting for the next cushy position. Sadly, our school experienced this this year. Sending students to the office (major or minor issues) was useless. Student returned empowered, while teacher were even more stressed as we stopped referring most students to administration.
  • RichardEater Why is admin taking the perspective of children in equal weight/more weight over that of a certified and security- checked professional? Either there's more information not said here, or admin are compromised in a way that is untenable. Your colleague is wrong for recording, and needs to resign to find a job where they are valued and respected.
  • Principal_Scudworth_ OP In their defense, this has been a year round issue, and the teacher isn't guilt free, by any measure. She's a first year teacher, and chose some classroom management strategies that worked out horrifically. I'm sure admin probably has assumed that the issue was the teacher before this, and to be honest, they're not entirely wrong. That said, there's more to unpack about how much admin let this person flounder, before it came to this point.
  • Septmaster I've seen this a lot for years now: admin trusting parents, and even students, before the teachers. I get wanting to make the "clientele" feel comfortable about the services they are receiving, but we ALL know some of these parents are as bad as or worse than their children, and the children are often highly untrustworthy. There are some bad teachers out there, but I'll still trust a random teacher over a random student or parent, ignoring other factors.
  • A depiction of a random teacher whom this teacher would trust over any parent or kid, even though she doesn't know her.
  • MrGrax Why is there any issue with recording a classroom (depending on the state/institution of course) generally speaking schools require media releases and consent waivers from parents around recording and purpose matters too. I can record a classroom for my own academic needs and reflections.
  • Heck I'd just tell 'em. "For the next few weeks the classroom will be recorded, the recordings will be used for internal reflection on academics and classroom management". They'll forget about it and go back to being little shs and you get your evidence.
  • Pharylon This. Recording is absolutely legal in the classroom. Depending on the state, you might not need their consent at all (North Carolina is a one party consent State, so it would be illegal to record if the teacher was NOT in the room, but legal as long as the teacher was there). Is it against policy? That's a different question. But I don't think kids have an expectation of privacy in schools. There are cameras everywhere.

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